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Episode 56: Mat Pesch Former Scientology Finance Guy

August 30, 2021 By Mike Rinder 64 Comments

One of our favorites joins us this week, Mat Pesch. Mat was formerly in charge of the money-making and money control divisions at the Flag Land Base -- the single largest source of revenue for scientology on earth. Mat joined us on The Aftermath S 2 Ep 9 The Business of Religion. His no nonsense explanations of the inner-workings of the scientology business machine are at times humorous, but always horrifying. We cover a lot of ground in this episode. Mat was the Dissemination Secretary, over the 2nd (of 7) divisions of a scientology organization responsible for marketing, booksales and … [Read more...]

Filed Under: Podcast Tagged With: Accommodations, Big League sales, Flag, fundraising, IAS, L. Ron Hubbard Hall, Leah Remini, Les Dane, LRHED 236, Mat Pesch, Mike Rinder, Patrons, podcast, Price Lists, The Aftedrmath

Episode 54: The Sea Organization Deep Dive with Hana Whitfield

August 16, 2021 By Mike Rinder 40 Comments

Hana Whitfield is such a pleasure to talk to. One of the nicest, kindest people I have had the pleasure of knowing, she is also one of the most interesting. She helped us on The Aftermath, appearing on the episode "The Life and Lies of L. Ron Hubbard" (S2 E 13). Hana joined the Sea Org before it was the Sea Org (it was originally named the Sea Project) in 1967, and went on to Captain various Sea Org ships and bases. We do a deep dive into the early years of the formation of the SO, her recollections of Hubbard, his "Mission Into Time" and much more. Hana was a highly trained scientologist … [Read more...]

Filed Under: General Tagged With: Athena, Avon River, Hana Whitfield, Leah Remini, Mike Rinder, Mission Into Time, podcast, Scientology And The Aftermath, Sea Org, Sea Project, toughness

Episode 50: The Bridge Deep Dive Part 1 with Bruce Hines

July 19, 2021 By Mike Rinder 44 Comments

We earlier had Jon Atack join us for two episodes taking a deeper look into the life of L. Ron Hubbard. This week, our old friend Bruce Hines joins us for Part 1 (of 3) where we take a look at the scientology "Bridge to Total Freedom" in more detail. In this episode we address the lower levels of the Bridge. Bruce was a highly trained scientology "Auditor" (counselor) and "Case Supervisor" (one who oversees auditors to ensure they are following the words of Hubbard exactly). Bruce appeared on an episode of The Aftermath and did a series of articles for Tony Ortega with Claire Headley on the … [Read more...]

Filed Under: Podcast Tagged With: Asch conformity experiments, Auditor, Bruce Hines, Case Supervisor, control = income, Fair Game Podcast, Flag, Flag price list, Introductory Services, Leah Remini, Mike Rinder, niacin, OCA, Oxford Capacity Analysis, peer pressure, pleasant control, podcast, Price list, Purification Rundown, raw meat, testing, The Bridge

The Great Wisdom of Ron

May 29, 2021 By Mike Rinder 58 Comments

Every day, Tony Ortega has a piece of Hubbard wisdom from the same date in history. The one from May 28th struck me. “Now, you’re a registrar and somebody is coming in, or you’re signing up PCs. (All of you have to wear a registrar’s hat at one time or another.) And you’re trying to get somebody to get some auditing, you’re a registrar, see? And there you are one fine day with a yow-yow-yow and a scream-scream-scream standing in front of your face: Seventy-five hours of auditing have been delivered — he feels terrible! He says, ‘Oh, I could kill everybody in the place,’ and he ought to go out … [Read more...]

Filed Under: L Ron Hubbard Tagged With: Jon Atack, L. Ron Hubbard, Mike Rinder, Phil Wearne, podcast, refunds, Tony Ortega, Victorian Inquiry

WISE Shows Their Stuff (And a MythVision Podcast)

May 5, 2021 By Mike Rinder 36 Comments

OK, these people claim to have the "only workable technology" of management, sales, PR, marketing, personnel and anything else you can think of. If this promotional piece and their accompanying video represents the pinnacle of what they've got...     This looks like it was put together in an 8th grade computer class. These are the experts? They actually do believe that because they have some scribbling from Hubbard that says it is "the only workable technology of ______" that it's true. But what is even more remarkable is that they then offer their … [Read more...]

Filed Under: WISE Tagged With: management, Mike Rinder, MythVision podcast, podcast, WISE, workbook

Episode 37: Mormon Stories Host Dr. John Dehlin

April 19, 2021 By Mike Rinder 28 Comments

This week Leah and I venture into the world of Mormonism with Dr. John Dehlin. I recently appeared on his long-running and very popular podcast, Mormon Stories, and we are now welcoming him to ours. He is not just a podcaster, he is a non-profit CEO, activist, public speaker, and religious transitions coach. He advocates for the rights of skeptics in Mormonism, LGBT rights, equality for women, and other individual views outside mainstream Mormonism. He has Master’s degree in Instructional Technology, and a Ph.D. in Clinical and Counseling Psychology. We learned a great deal from John … [Read more...]

Filed Under: Podcast Tagged With: Beauty in the Now, Betsy Davis, Ensign Peak, fair game, John Dehlin, Joseph Smith, Leah Remini, Margi Dehlin, Mike Rinder, Mormon Faith Crisis, Mormon Stories, podcast, Sam Young, Symmetry Solutions

Episode 34: Journalist and Author John Sweeney

March 29, 2021 By Mike Rinder 47 Comments

Our friend and scientology nemesis, journalist, author and podcaster John Sweeney, joins us this week. John was for many years a correspondent for the original TV investigative magazine show, Panorama.  He did a program about scientology for Panorama in 2007, where I was one of the "handlers" on behalf of scientology. It was a catalyst for me leaving -- I was in London defending scientology and Miscavige from the "chaos merchants" at the BBC.  After I had left, I did a second Panorama show with John explaining some of the things that had happened in that first program. We had a lot to … [Read more...]

Filed Under: Podcast Tagged With: BBC, Cathy Bernardini, David Miscavige, Fair Game Podcast, Hunting Ghislaine, john sweeney, Justice4Mom, Leah Remini, media, Mike Rinder, Panorama, Pinellas County Sheriff Report, podcast, Scientology and Me, SHeriff Report, Taryn Teutsch, The Church of Fear, The Secrets of Scientology, Tommy Davis

Episode 31: NXIVM Whistleblower Sarah Edmondson

March 8, 2021 By Mike Rinder 19 Comments

  This week, Leah and I talk with Sarah Edmondson, featured in The Vow, author of Scarred and host (with her husband Anthony "Nippy" Ames) of a new podcast, A Little Bit Culty. We talked about the similarities between Nxivm and scientology, the systems of control and even the language are remarkably similar, so much so that there is little doubt in my mind that Keith Raniere studied Hubbard. We talk about The Vow and what recovering from a cult experience is like and the impact of Scientology and The Aftermath had on her. Both Nxivm and scientology use the idea of personal … [Read more...]

Filed Under: Podcast Tagged With: Fair Game Podcast, Keith Raniere, Leah Remini, Mike Rinder, NXIVM, podcast, Sarah Edmondson

Episode 23: Activist and Blogger Stefani Hutchison

January 11, 2021 By Mike Rinder 28 Comments

Leah and I talk with Stefani Hutchison this week, and the conversation was a true delight. We cover a lot of topics. Stefani was never a scientologist, but she has become a very effective and vocal whistleblower on the abuses of scientology. She is an example of what anyone can do if they want to take an active role in ending the pain and suffering that scientology causes for so many. I will post the link here once available. Here is how Stefani describes herself on her blog. I am a stay at home mother of one wonderful son. Married over 25 years to a wonderful man who puts up with … [Read more...]

Filed Under: Podcast Tagged With: Fair Game Podcast, Leah Remini, Mike Rinder, podcast, Stefani Hutchison

Recent Podcasts with Jon Atack

December 20, 2020 By Mike Rinder 3 Comments

I have done a couple of podcasts with the wonderfully informed Jon Atack. The second of them went live yesterday and Tony Ortega included it on his site. I am including it here also, as well as the earlier one, as I think the discussions are illuminating. Jon is such a wealth of information. And has such good takes on all things scientology. Leah and I are planning on talking with Jon on our fair Game Podcast soon. That should be a treat. This is the most recent episode of Jon's podcast. I recommend you subscribe to his YouTube channel too:   This is the one we did about 6 … [Read more...]

Filed Under: Podcast Tagged With: Jon Atack, Mike Rinder, podcast, Tony Ortega

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Justice systems are "a cancer," and police and courts are composed of the "vicious and corrupt" according to #scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. Bear this in mind as the retrial of #DJDonkeyPunch Danny Masterson unfolds...
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This is destined to be an #SPTV classic comedy moment. @blownforgood and @claireheadley share details of their "first date" in the Sea Org. It's near the end. If you're not subscribed to my channel yet, please do so... There is also important content.
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How Many Taxpayer-subsidized Mansions, Homes and Offices Does a Dead Man Need? It turns out to be a LOT when it comes to #scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard. Once again, where is the #IRS? How is this a valid exempt purpose? https://youtu.be/JfmJHiGfevA via @YouTube

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The DOJ details what #scientology does to destroy those speaking out about their abuses. Including but not limited to:
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  • Donna on How Many Taxpayer-Subsidized Mansions, Homes and Offices Does A Dead Man Need?: “OK so if I understand the tax exempt status laws in the USA, ALL of these properties in the USA…” Mar 30, 14:56
  • Francis Khoury on Thursday Funnies: “And that spiral, real as it is, will not be talked about, except in places like this. Cognitive dissonance at…” Mar 30, 14:41
  • Francis Khoury on Thursday Funnies: “Congrats on your departure, whenever it was. It is sad to see, you’re right. I spun my wheels in a…” Mar 30, 14:39
  • Yawn on How Many Taxpayer-Subsidized Mansions, Homes and Offices Does A Dead Man Need?: “Yep, it’s a special kind of insanity Scientology. It’s an out of control group activity of the mind that makes…” Mar 30, 13:24
  • Fred G. Haseney on Thursday Funnies: “Re: “Tampa Brad” is hiring So, “Tampa Brad” is looking for a videographer/editor (wink, wink). Has Ashley gone legitimate as…” Mar 30, 12:55
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  • Paul Ronk on Thursday Funnies: “scientology sets up a two-way mirror for the parishioners. They cannot see out, but all of us that are out…” Mar 30, 11:54
  • PeaceMaker on Thursday Funnies: “Austin org is scheduled with the city for an opening event on April 15th. Chicago will apparently be after that…” Mar 30, 11:45
  • PeaceMaker on How Many Taxpayer-Subsidized Mansions, Homes and Offices Does A Dead Man Need?: “It seems to me they serve as sort of shrines – not unlike traditional ones for gurus, saviours and gods.…” Mar 30, 11:31
  • Doug Sprinkle on How Many Taxpayer-Subsidized Mansions, Homes and Offices Does A Dead Man Need?: “Very interesting thanks for sharing that. I guess I also wanted to believe that he was super human too. But…” Mar 30, 11:19

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