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Episode 45: Activist and Author Dr. Brian Sheen

June 14, 2021 By Mike Rinder 34 Comments

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Leah and I welcomed Dr. Brian Sheen onto the Fair Game Podcast this week.

I have known Brian since the days of the Apollo, when he was training to be the senior Case Supervisor for the Advanced Org in the UK. He led an interesting life in the scientology world outside the Sea Org, including in a mission and as a WISE business consultant. He had an experience with Flag that ended his involvement in scientology and went on to get a PhD, but because his former wife and daughter were still in scientology, never spoke out about Scientology.

The story of how he came to be declared and his daughter disconnecting from him (she married into scientology’s wealthy elite, the son of the Atkinson-Bakers) is typically tragic but especially insane. Scientology literally created another enemy. His fight to get her back has been heroic and continues to this day.

There is a lot of information at his website: scientologyhostage.com

 

His new book, Relentless; Rescuing My Daughter From Scientology is now available.

We make mention of a passage from Science of Survival:

Science of Survival

Brian mentions Dr. Candace Pert:

 

The Florida Commission on Human Rights rejected Brian’s complaint:

 

Brian has a series of “White Board” videos on his YouTube channel about scientology. This is one of them:

 

 

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Filed Under: Podcast Tagged With: Apollo, Atkinson-Baker, Brian Sheen, Dr. Candace Pert, Flag, L. Ron Hubbard, Leah Remini, Mike Rinder, Relentless, Science of Survival

Comments

  1. Marc Desmarais says

    August 21, 2021 at 4:20 am

    I heard the podcast. The “only we can save the world and there’s little time !!!” attitude sounds a lot like the “man made global warming” cult. That made Al “the planet has a fever” Gore rich.
    It’s been rebranded “man made climate change” in recent year. No warming in 15 years …

    This all reminds me of the 2 trillion we spent in Afghanistan in the last 20 year. How many billion dollar fortune did that create?

    Reply
  2. OML says

    June 16, 2021 at 1:25 am

    Honestly, if Scientology can influence the legal system and it’s judges, law enforcement, IRS, manipulate people and entire families to its favor and the media, which current including YouTube, they are becoming all the above. This is leading me to the conclusion that the entire overall system of USA and many countries are rotten and cowered to its core. Same as talk to the wall. How in the world the podcast could be taken from YouTube??? This is beyond me. What did they do … bribed google? Where one is unable to communicate freely anymore, it is far from being free country, but a free corruption. I was looking today for help on YouTube to find out why the podcast has been taken off. The only thing left to win Scientology is to burn their orgs to its ground. Every and each one of them. Only then, as homeless scientologists, Scientology could loose itself. And its members will return to their family. Maybe I’m external but Scientology too.

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  3. Scribe says

    June 15, 2021 at 9:05 pm

    Scientology, the only game where everyone sins.

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  4. Scribe says

    June 15, 2021 at 5:16 pm

    If you were looking for Hell and found Scientology, it would certainly serve. It has the unenviable distinction of turning the fictional world of Sophie’s Choice into reality.

    Reply
  5. otherles says

    June 15, 2021 at 3:14 pm

    YouTube has removed the Scientology Fair Game podcast channel. No act is too vile for those who value political power.

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    • Mike Rinder says

      June 15, 2021 at 8:30 pm

      Hmmm, dont think YouTube did this. I dont know what this channel was, but it was not an “authorized” outlet by iHeart who owns it…

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      • OML says

        June 16, 2021 at 12:51 am

        Hi Mike,

        So can we get it back on YouTube? It is another channel exposed to plenty of viewers old and new.

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        • Mike Rinder says

          June 16, 2021 at 7:56 am

          I have no idea. Why don’t you see if you can do it? This is definitely not my area of expertise….

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  6. Frank says

    June 15, 2021 at 2:47 pm

    Brian you are a hero. You represent everything a father can do for love. I hope that one day you can “disconnect” your beautiful daughter and your grandson from the clutches of evil.

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  7. Brian J Sheen says

    June 15, 2021 at 1:06 pm

    Thanks so much for all your kind comments and support. I am so appreciative to work Mike and Leah does to present these stories to show the evil Co$ is and the harm they do to so many families.Wow..so wonderful to see my podcast with Leah and Mike posted.
    The timing was wonderful as it was a great morale boost after coming out of the hospital here in Medellin after the extensive hemorrhaging I had last week after having polyps removed during a colonoscopy. Surprising my recovery went quickly without any touch assists, PTS interviews, sec checking or past life regressions to see why I “pulled it in.” Perhaps Scientology did have a hand in my healing process as it certainly did train me to get used to lots of crazy things shoved up my ass that was called truth.
    Meanwhile I am also happy to share that my book, Relentless, Rescuing My Daughter from Scientology is also available now on Audible. This was a fun experience of sharing the meanings placed in the images, into words.
    I look forward to all your comments and hope you find the podcast and my books inspiring.

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    • Cindy says

      June 15, 2021 at 2:33 pm

      I liked hearing your story, Brian. Can I buy your book as a paperback ? Or can I get it on Kindle? I don’t do Audible.

      Reply
      • Mike Rinder says

        June 15, 2021 at 8:31 pm

        Just click on the link and it will take you to Amazon to buy whatever version you wish

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        • Cindy says

          June 15, 2021 at 10:25 pm

          Thanks!

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      • Brian J Sheen says

        June 16, 2021 at 11:08 am

        Yes..you can order the book from Amazon in paperback. I look forward to your feedback.

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    • Piltdown Man says

      June 15, 2021 at 8:44 pm

      Brian, I am so grateful you are out of that hell hole and exposing its cruel and inhumane treatment of members. I will be buying several copies of your book and donating them to the Libraries in my City. It will be part of the SP Basics. I am excited to read it. Thank you for writing it. I will use it along with the others to help Scientologists de program from the cult think.

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      • Brian J Sheen says

        June 16, 2021 at 11:10 am

        Thanks so much. As the book is illustrated with over 200 images, it might act as a good primer to warn people to avoid Co$ as many love easy to read books with pictures! Thanks again for your support. smiles,Brian

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  8. SassMasterSupreme says

    June 15, 2021 at 11:21 am

    I go home to see my family about once a month and its a 4 hour drive one way. So i usually save up all my podcasts to listen to on the drive. However, i sometimes break that rule with y’all’s podcast and I don’t know if ill be able to stick to it for this month either!

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  9. Mary Kahn says

    June 15, 2021 at 10:39 am

    Thank you Brian. You’re drive is incredible. Your white board videos are SO GOOD and informative!
    And now your book. Thank you for your fight for this cause.

    I am so sorry for your pain. Your work will be instrumental in us getting our kids and families back.

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  10. maria mccartan says

    June 15, 2021 at 10:23 am

    has the fair game podcast been taken off youtube??

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    • Mike Rinder says

      June 15, 2021 at 10:26 am

      Didnt know it was ever on YouTube?

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      • Tammy Seidick says

        June 15, 2021 at 12:46 pm

        Yes, it was! Scientology: Fair Game was a YouTube Channel as of earlier today. I have been watching (listening to) the old episodes this week, and as of this morning, the channel was removed! I was mid-episode, and when I returned to the video it said the channel had been removed. I came here to your blog to see if you had posted an update. Check with your team. Love the podcast! 🙁

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        • Mike Rinder says

          June 15, 2021 at 1:28 pm

          Hmm, well that was not an official site supported by iHeart AFAIK. You can listen on iHeart, iTunes, Spotify, Amazon and anywhere else podcasts are available.

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      • Barry says

        June 15, 2021 at 2:37 pm

        I have been listening to the podcasts there too and they do seem to be gone this morning. I was a static black and white image of your show’s title with the podcast recording right down to the ads and breaks.

        -Barry

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  11. Aquamarine says

    June 14, 2021 at 10:19 pm

    I will buy this book and looking forward to reading it.
    Disgraceful that at the age of 38 his daughter disconnected from from her father.
    But then she was born into the cult and married a whale and is now immersed in her husband’s whale family so of course the pressure on her to disconnect was enormous…disgraceful.

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  12. Real says

    June 14, 2021 at 6:09 pm

    Typical Hubtard schizophrenia. One policy says Scamology only gets attacked when it is doing really good. The other policy says it only gets attacked when doing bad and NOT delivery its crap tek.

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  13. chuckbeattyx75to03 says

    June 14, 2021 at 4:30 pm

    Hubbard’s way or the highway, and if you take the highway that includes you taking the highway on all persons who are still Scientologists, the stayers aren’t allowed to converse with the quitters.

    Stayers have only Sophie’s Choice choices.

    Moral of the story, never join.

    Quit fast, before you lure your family into Scientology, as then they are stuck with Sophie’s Choice options themselves.

    I love Bryan’s videos that tell the Xenu story like it is, and it’s a public service to let the public know that OT 3, 4, 5 6 and 7 are the secret exorcism levels of high volume exorcism that Scientologists do to themselves due to Xenu having dumped zillions of body-thetans onto earth that supposedly infest all of us today needing the Hubbard OT 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 exorcism procedures.

    Every conversation I have with people, I explain the Scientology quackery and exorcism stepladder in 30 seconds, and tell them just remember the Xenu word, as that word will keep their kids out of Scientology if their kids know the Xenu story and tell it to Scientology disseminators.

    Talking Xenu and body-thetans shuts down Scientologists from disseminating to one.

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  14. Jere Lull says

    June 14, 2021 at 3:39 pm

    NO one should experience the pain Brian and others have been subjected to. Thus, I support the Aftermath Foundation ANY way I can, and hope everyone who hears me does as well. Only by banding together and supporting the effective self-selected warriors will that scourge be cleared from this Earth.

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  15. Maria Gutierrez says

    June 14, 2021 at 3:35 pm

    I assume you were a Scientologist at some point, is that correct? You use “tone scale” in a way I’m not familiar with. I know that term in music, but I’ve seen it used by members, or former members, of Scientology in a way that doesn’t make sense to me. Can you translate it into something a person like me, never in, or related to Scientology can understand? I hope from that I can deduct “low toned,” “high toned,” “tone level,” and “2.0.”

    Sorry you got swept up in that group. Life is hard enough to figure out, without starting at such a disadvantage as needing to undo all that misinformation.

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    • Mike Rinder says

      June 14, 2021 at 4:46 pm

      The Tone Scale is a Hubbard invention that lists the “emotional tones” of a person that are supposed to reflect their well-being, happiness and survival potential.

      You can see how scientologyt describes it here: https://www.scientology.org/what-is-scientology/basic-principles-of-scientology/the-tone-scale.html

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  16. Cece says

    June 14, 2021 at 1:58 pm

    Brian is an inspiration to me being also shunned by children and grandchildren.
    Every day I study how to end this mental torture inflicted by others under the spell of LRH and get my sanity and loved ones back.
    Thanks for having him on 😘

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  17. Gordon Weir says

    June 14, 2021 at 10:51 am

    Brian certainly tells it like it is.

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  18. georgemwhite says

    June 14, 2021 at 10:49 am

    It finally all makes sense about Scientology.
    The more money the higher the tone scale level.
    She marries into money and disconnects from her Dad.
    If you are declared below 2.0, with no money you are suppressive.
    So Miscavige protects his tone scale level with money to lawyers.
    No one touches Brain’s request because he is not super rich like Scientologists.
    The empty Scientology buildings make sense. There are not enough rich people to fill them.
    Why take in poor people? They are low toned and should be eliminated from life. California Brian wrote about the tone scale on this blog and got it totally right. There is no love in Scientology
    and empathy is below 2.0. She marries money because it is obviously higher toned.
    So tone level is money.
    I was declared suppressive in about 2008 and it has taken me a long time to figure Scientology out.

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    • Jere Lull says

      June 14, 2021 at 3:43 pm

      It seems Hubbard didn’t know anything about love. I don’t recall him expounding on the subject though he held forth on (literally) EVERYTHING else. Either he hadn’t encountered it or didn’t like the experience, I suppose. It’s something you can’t control and his “thang” was all about control at all costs. I pity his poor wives and “girlfriends”.

      Reply
      • georgemwhite says

        June 14, 2021 at 9:52 pm

        Mary Sue was so devoted it makes me sick

        Reply

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