It would not be correct to claim that ALL scientologists are conspiracy theorists. But I would hazard there are more of these types per capita in scientology than in the normal population. Here is a recent example, and then I will explain why I believe this to be true.
This is the content of his link:
Generally, scientologists tend to think the way they have been taught to think in the words of L. Ron Hubbard. They take his lead on EVERYTHING in their life.
Hubbard saw a concerted “conspiracy” against him (and thus “against mankind” because he is the only one with the technology to “save” mankind) from the earliest days of Dianetics when his efforts to gain sanction from the psychiatric community were rebuffed. He thereafter concluded that “the psychs” were engaged in a conspiracy to destroy him because they rejected his theories as quackery.
His certainty that he was the target of a massive conspiracy increased over the years. Soon it would become a cabal of “the psychs”, the US Government, the AMA, the World Bank, the Rockefellers, the media, drug companies, intelligence agencie, the Russians and “SMERSH.” There were always PLENTY of people involved and he wrote about this often (Randy Hock references the Freedom Mag articles from the late 1960’s). This mindset is prevalent among scientologists — Hubbard said there is a global conspiracy, so it is a fact.
Many of these “global conspiracies” are claimed to be some “left-wing” plot involving George Soros, the Clintons and others. Scientologists are more often “right-leaning” for one over-riding reason. Health care. The defining issue for scientologists is whether a politician is seen to be “pro-psych”. Generally, left-leaning politicians are for govt funded health care, which includes psych treatment. Thus, many liberal politicians fall afoul of scientologists’ hatred of all things psychiatric.
Hubbard also expressed many times that government is bad, that it “destroys individual rights”, that taxation is bad and that big government suppresses the individual. Again, big government is a “liberal” ideal. Thus, scientologists tend to be disproportionately less inclined to reject theories that “the left” is destroying the world as they see them as instruments of the psychs and “big government.”
Of course, this sort of generalizing ignores that scientology is made up of individuals and there are certainly some scientologists who identify as liberals.
But it is NOT a generalization to say that any good scientologist follows the lead of L. Ron Hubbard in ALL things. This tends to be born out by the fact that only district in Los Angeles county that voted Republican in the 2016 election was the one that includes the Big Blue complex.
Because of the teachings of Hubbard, scientologists thrive on conspiracies. Especially if psychiatry can be tied into the theory.
Of course, there are plenty of people who are NOT scientologists who think the same way as Mr. Hock.
But there aren’t people who are NOT scientologists who believe that the words of L. Ron Hubbard — literally every single one of them — are gospel truth. So, because he WAS a massive conspiracy theorist (of course always presented as conspiracy “fact”) there is a much higher likelihood that a scientologist will agree with the ideas that there are deep conspiracies in society aimed at destroying mankind.
The Hubbard article that is mentioned above “Constitutional Destruction” is published right on the official scientology site… this is the first page.
PS: This is commentary about Scientology, not an invitation to turn the comments section into a war of words from those who hate either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump. Please stick to the topic.
Koor Barakam says
“We live in a machine world. The whole yap of television and newspapers [and rinder bots] is intended to suppress the individual. The goal of this civilization in which we live, it seems, is to reduce all personal efforts to zero.” –LRH, on Artistic Expression (OEC)
Aquamarine, I agree with your post. I never said Hubbard or DM were correct in their compulsion to always have some other person or group they had to fight in order to keep the group together. I was just reporting that that may be why LRH had conspiracy theories going, and DM too.
Great post Mike.
I think the underlining reason for conspiracy written by Hubbard has to do with what he said in a lecture.
IIRC, he said something like a good story line plot is you have to have a “weenie”, that means in a story everybody is after a thing, idea, patent, secrets, etc.
The weenie in dianetics is “clear”, the weenie in scientology is “OT”.
In order to reinforce the “weenie”, one can use conspiracy or conflict.
This link provides a reference, and of note is the section of conflict:
There are many conflicts in dianetics and scientology, of course one of the major ones is the conflict of PTS/SP to keep people in scientology or get them out as fast as possible because because they can critical think.
After all, Hubbard said he was just a writer. And he wrote lots and lectured a lot to keep the story going, all doing so with rhetorical devices.
The end of course is when one realizes there are no clears or OT’s, it’s just a story that costs money & time to read, attend, and participate.
I hereby tender this as a gift to mankind, the work was free so keep it so. Laughing.
Interested Party says
The only fault I can find in your comment is that you didn’t “humbly” tender that gift to mankind. Otherwise spot on.
Thanks for your post, Gib. One thing I might add to it is that in the Green Vols, it might have been the Simon Bolivar policy, not sure of the title, but he writes that in order to keep a group together and doing well, you have to have an outside enemy that you are all united in fighting because if you don’t, people will turn inward and will fight themselves and their own group, thus destroying it. So it was important for Hubbard to keep providing outside enemies to fight, such as Psychs, SPs, Enemies, and most sound like conspiracy theories that he wanted to keep going. And from DM’s point of view, if you are fighting a common outside enemy, you don’t have time to look at what he’s doing and his overts.
Hubbard was right about that but its a huge generalization and only applies to some groups, not all.
A group of stupid people will fight each other if they don’t have an outside enemy because stupid people always have to fight somebody or blame someone for their problems. For dumb people, fighting itself is the purpose: a “purpose” is just a reason, a good excuse to go and fight.
A group composed of intelligent, aware individuals who join together to work for a, needed, worthwhile purpose may have an enemy or two, or might acquire a major enemy in the course of their activities together but such a group wouldn’t NEED an enemy in order to work together and not tear each other apart.
Aquamarine, I agree with your post. I never said Hubbard or DM were correct in their compulsion to always have some other person or group they had to fight in order to keep the group together. I was just reporting that that may be why LRH had conspiracy theories going, and DM too.
I didn’t think you were saying that, Cindy. What I wrote was not a criticism of what you wrote, but rather of Hubbard’s generalities as re certain professions (journalists, police, psychiatrists); his propensity to paint ALL members of certain professions with his own unique, extremely pejorative brush.
Thanks for the clariication, Aquamarine. Good post.
This applies to at least one US political party, the one of which I am an elected member, We often have commented amongst ourselves about our group’s tendency to attack each other if we do not have something outside our party to fight.
I am not saying to which political party this applies; it may be both of the main ones, not just the one to which I subscribe, and it was certainly also true of one of the smaller parties when I was the state secretary for the largest contingent of this smaller party.
Well said, River. Tactfully put.
The following is what I perceive as being the main point of your post – not tactfully put:
In this country we have rabid, attack-dog-type political left wingers, and rabid, attack-dog-type political right wingers.
Each group is composed of people who are boring, annoying, stupid, unhelpful and nuts.
I’m not sure about the Ex Scns but evidence exists that many Still In Scientologists fall into the latter group.
Hubbard probably wrote dozens of “stories” directly relating to Scientology. Happily enough I only read a few of them and hopefully the ones I read I passed off as “maybe” when I was in. None of them stuck.
Hubbard probably wrote dozens of “stories” directly relating to Scientology but happily enough I only read a few of them when I was active and I know a lot more of them now. I don’t think any of them stuck but you just never know. Maybe one or two are still floating around – lol
Todd Cray says
I think that Mike’s disclaimer was probably wise: “It would not be correct to claim that ALL scientologists are conspiracy theorists.” But it may also have been too generous.
Without intending to demean individual scientologists, I would argue that it is just about impossible to swallow Hubbard’s claims or the church’s without seeing conspiracies at least somewhere. For the simple reason that these claims are simply too irrational and detached from reality to bear up without seeing some nefarious intervention somewhere.
For example, in order for Hubbard’s military record to have even the slimmest chance of standing, conspiracy of “sheep dipping” his record has to be involved.
One question that any half-way bright scientologist will surely wonder about: If Hubbard offered anything at all even remotely of scientific value, why is it roundly ignored by even the fringe of academia? Surely not because it was a bunch of stuff that he pulled out of his ample posterior as he went along? Perish the thought; it’s because academia has it in for Hubbard, most likely at the behest of the psychs.
Along similar lines: How can the professional world ignore grand achievements such as the Purif, touch assists, various rundowns and Hubbard’s breakthrough discoveries in science and natural history? How can this be without an organized foe having their tentacles in denying scientology its place and Hubbard his credit.
Generously, scientology offers the world the largest independent organization of first responders on the planet (recently they may have scaled back this claim to “one of the largest”, but still). Along with unmatched contributions to prison reform, drug avoidance/recovery and the pacification of entire countries. And yet while such organizations inevitably do not go unnoticed (any one who has NOT heard of the Red Cross, the Salvation Army, or Catholic Charities?), I can not think of even ONE article in the press that has EVER acknowledged these enormous achievements that are regularly being claimed. In fact, the cult is so desperate as to create their own fake “news” in the form of propagandist press releases on paid-for “news” web sites.
It would appear that either these enormous contributions to society are made up from whole cloth (perish the thought!) or there is a global conspiracy by the press–left or right, establishment or alternative, local or national, domestic or global all alike–to deny then the credit they so richly deserve.
To say nothing of gov’t conspiracies that forced scientologists to form their own counterintelligence groups such as the Guardians Office of Special Affairs in a legitimate effort at self-defense or fight an arbitrarily denied tax exemption (surely, Hubbard was NOT using his cult as his own piggy bank!).
To be on the safe side, one may disclaim that “It would not be correct to claim that ALL scientologists are conspiracy theorists.” But it is just about impossible to remain a scientologist in good standing–believing what the “church” is claiming and what Hubbard put into his “scriptures”–and NOT to believe that there are quite a few massive conspiracies afoot in the most important areas of public life such as science, professional organizations, academia and the gov’t.
Bruce Ploetz says
Todd, I’d go a little further and say that you have to have the heart of a conspiracy theorist to stay in Scientology for more than a few days.
Freedom Magazine, before it became consumed with hate speech, was Scientology conspiracy theory central. Weird ideas about the Kennedy assassination, CIA running drugs out of the “golden triangle” (Southeast Asia), BZ (the weird psychiatric drug they supposedly tried on soldiers), the “Siberia Bill”, I could go on listing them for pages. Remember Hubbard saying that FDR deliberately set up Pearl Harbor to get the US into World War II? (Actually that one has a kernel of truth, but not the way Hubbard presented it).
Scientology thrives on the Us against the World schemes.
And don’t think that Dave Miscavige is any better. He had us watch the movie “Conspiracy Theory” at the Int Base. He recommended that everyone read “Rule by Secrecy” by Jim Marrs, the complete compendium of asinine theories from the day of the ancient Sumerians to today. When the Alien Autopsy video was on TV he had it taped so he could see it. A truer believer in the Art Bell canon would be hard to find.
Take the conspiracy theory out of Scientology and all you have left is a somewhat lame and overly authoritarian form of talk therapy. What is the fun of that?
Are Scientologists, “in good standing” conspiracy theorists.
Lets take a look.
Just off the top of my head:
Scientologists are FORBIDDEN to read or watch ANYTHING about Scientology other than what Scientology write or airs or says about itself. BECAUSE the MEDIA is Scientology’s ENEMY. The MEDIA have a driving NEED to DESTROY Scientology because the Media are Suppressive People who CANNOT STAND the FACT that Scientology HELPS people and is EXPANDING. Ergo, the MEDIA will ALWAYS, ALWAYS lie about Scientology because of its purpose to destroy iit.
Scientologists in good standing believe all of the above and obey this rule to the letter.
Scientology believes that psychiatrists are SPs whose essential purpose is to enslave and/or kill everyone. Scientology believes that ALL psychiatrists are intent on destroying Scientology because Scientology helps people and makes them happier, stronger, healthier, smarter and more able.
Scientologists in good standing subscribe wholly to this theory and consider psychiatry the #1 Enemy of Scientology.
Scientology believes that the pharmaceutical industry has as one of its MAJOR purposes getting EVERYONE hooked on psychotropic drugs so that they become what in Scientology labels “illegal PCs” (people unable to ever receive Scn auditing). Scientology believes that Big Pharma is SO focused on this purpose that they lobby for legislation mandating that babies, toddlers and small children begin getting psychotropics to ensure that they never receive Scientology auditing.
Scientologists in good standing believe this implicitly.
Scientology are taught that police and all law enforcement depend upon crime, want and need crime because that’ how they make a living, and without crime they’d be out of work.
Scientologists IGS believe this too.
Scientology preaches that the medical profession depends for its survival upon widespread ill health and has therefore a vested interest in making sure that people get and stay mostly physically sick while living a longer life span. In other words, the medical profession’s Ideal Scene is a large population frequently sick or disabled and needing care during their long lives!
Scientologists IGS DEFINITELY believe this, frequently mistrust and dislike doctors and nurses, and frequently don’t seek medical treatment when they’re sick.
OK, this is just off the top of my head. Feel free to add more examples. There’s government, there’s sex…feel free. I have to get back to work.
Based on the above points, are Scientologists conspiracy theorists?
Chris Shugart says
I think Hubbard had to have been one of the great conspiracy theorists of all time. As a former student of his writing and lectures, I’d become somewhat of a conspiracy theory aficionado as a result. I was far from alone. I heard some pretty weird doozies in my time, both from staff and COS members. There was a book popular among Scios called “None Dare Call it Conspiracy.” Its focus was on a supposed global network of insiders determined to wield power over all of mankind in the coming New World Order. I believe that many Scios, both former and current still subscribe to such theories.
Many theories will not die, as if they’ve taken a life of their own. Arguably the most famous is “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.” Written in 1903, it’s a fabricated antisemitic text purporting to describe a Jewish plan for global domination. Henry Ford was an active promoter. In spite of the fact that today, the writings have been thoroughly debunked, many leaders, mostly in the Middle East, endorse the “Protocols” as authentic. It kind of makes me wax nostalgic for Art Bell. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Art_Bell
And Hubbard’s “brain-washing manual” was sort of a Red Scare era version of Protocols, attempting to impugn pyschiatry similarly:
Miscavige Blows Cruise says
David Miscavige a.k.a. Little Zipper Mouth with the life he lives built off the money stolen and drained from the cult members — is one of the most repulsive, evil sick fucks I’ve ever encountered in my life. He is a poster boy for why abortions should be legal.
jere lull (38years recovering) says
“…He is a poster boy for why abortions should be legal.”
In this case, we can make that ‘retroactive abortions’ despite my dislike of giving him any “martyr material”. That would be partial Karma for the number of married women he forced to abort WANTED children. THAT, from a guy who locked his ‘wife’ away in some scientology “Siberia” because she had the audacity to FINISH some of HIS incomplete cycles. a REAL man would have thanked her and AT LEAST sent roses. THE GUY KNOWS NUTTIN’ ‘BOUT NUTTIN’. PARTICULARLY, he don’t know nuttin’ ’bout scientology or how to expand it, except in the negative: How QUICKLY he’s dismantled what Ron, et al. built up over the years.
In just shy of 70 years, there HAS NEVER BEEN A MORE EFFECTIVE SQUIRREL OR SP than “slappy”.
When Miscavige was born they accidentally threw out the baby and raised the afterbirth.
This is hilarious.
Guns: “They’re coming to take our guns away!”
God: “They want to abolish religion and destroy all our churches!”
The Wall: “They’re flooding our country with rapists, murderers and drug pushers!”
Soros the Globalist: “Is paying for it all!”
Scientology and Fox News: Perfect together.
Thanks for the laugh, Mike.
Truth Seeker says
Can you please send me Dave Fagen’s e-mail? (He posted above) I want to contact him.
Dave Fagen says
I’m sure you’ll be able to contact him through e.g. his blog or ESMB
Kat LaRue says
The idea of large conspiracies to explain unrelated events are invariably disproved. Large conspiracies would have way too many moving parts to be kept secret, and generally, someone will leak. While they have existed, they generally come to light fairly soon. The theory of occum’s razor (the simplest solution is usually the right one) can explain the ‘conspiracy’ better than an elaborate, large scale plan tat relies on secrecy.
That said, I have noticed that insular groups tend to have a higher belief in conspiracies. It goes back to the ‘us versus them’ mentality that cults have indoctrinated their members to believe- everyone who doesn’t agree with their view is somehow against them- its a conspiracy theory. Hubbard’s paranoia would enhance that viewpoint. He couldn’t ever (EVER) be wrong, so in order to explain why people disagreed with his views and proclamations he pulled a convenient conspiracy out of his ass and convinced his followers that they were being persecuted by powerful entities (the fact that these entities probably didn’t give him a thought after they dismissed his theories would have been unthinkable to someone with Hubbard’s ego).
Its a combination of paranoia and an insatiable ego (and the need to always be right) that is likely at the root of these theories that he concocted throughout the years. Any time someone opposed him, it was because these groups were against him. And, of course, his followers blindly agreed with him.
Im not surprised that this is lingering amongst the members- they have another leader who has to explain why so many are against him- thus it HAS to be a conspiracy- NOT HIS FAULT!
Dave Fagen says
When I was on staff in about 2009, we had a visit from the Commanding Officer of OSA East US, Tim Lomas. Even though it wasn’t part of his official “hat”, he came to our org to raise money for the IAS. This was one of many visits from him for fund raising purposes, even though it’s not an OSA job to raise money for the IAS, because he was very good at it.
At this particular staff muster, he started by telling us why he was there, that he was going to conduct an IAS event.
He said that COB (David Miscavige) knew who was behind not only the attempts to destroy Scientology, but the plan to take over society, to make slave of us all, etc, our mindset that the psychs, the government, the world bankers, etc, were out to destroy the society, and that Scientology was the only hope to put a stop to it. And he did say that COB had it all worked out.
He said that COB had it all worked out, he knew who the correct targets were and he knew what to do to save Scientology and the world from this conspiracy.
But the plan could not be done until they had enough money to do it.
He also said or implied that we could not know who the specific targets were, nor what the plan was, because it would mess up the whole plan if anyone knew.
That’s one example I experienced about using the conspiracy theory mentality to manipulate and control. Here’s another example.
When my wife and I went to our HCO to say that we were leaving the church because of the truth we learned, and now believed, about the abuse, lies and corruption of Miscavige, including the fact that the IAS was a scam, etc, here’s how our HAS responded to convince us otherwise:
She said that we can’t know what is being done with this money (“we” included herself as well), because if anyone knew, it would mess up the whole plan. So we had to just trust that the IAS money was going to save the world because it won’t save the world if we all knew exactly how the money was being used to save the world. And the reason why it may look to some that nothing good is being done with that money is because they can’t tell us exactly what is being done with it.
Conspiracy….. Paranoia…….. Delusion….. Fear: Or, how to set yourself against everything/ everyone else in the universe. Scientology now does it with a vengeance, now led by ‘der munchkin’.
This is exactly what Scientology does, FPjr! But for crying out loud, do you ever watch cable “news”? Have you ever tuned into daytime talk radio? Talk about conspiracy, paranoia, delusion and fear! That’s what they’ve been selling for 20 years, and there’s a portion of the American population who LIVE for this stuff now. On both sides, the Right and the Left. They’re addicted. Angry, fearful, delusionary – they’re just as nuts as the nutjobs they listen to on the radio and watch on cable TV.
Making people angry and fearful and mistrustful and contemptuous of each other to the point where they go out of communication with one another is an OLD control mechanism. Ancient. Hubbard didn’t invent this. He knew about it and used it, for his own purposes. Miscavige took his cue from Hubbard and amplified the mechanism x 100.
Nowadays, EVERYONE outside the Scientology cult is suspect – to obedient Koolaid Drinkers.
EVERYONE lies to them – except Miscavige.
NO one outside of Scientology is to be trusted. ANYone with disagreements about the cult is an SP., barring none, even if its your mother.
And EVERY good Scientologist knows that, although complete Disconnection is the safest road, still, if, for financial reasons you MUST communicate with such a person, there can be NO discussion of the issues.
Just “good roads, good weather.” Do NOT engage. Fake smile, fake “ARC”, get the money, get out of there. And if NO money is at risk by going out of communication? Drop that person like the Doomed Suppressive that they are.
Of course, these Scientologists are very close to insane. They’re so crazy they don’t even know they’re crazy. That’s how crazy they are. And that’s pretty crazy.
But out in WogWorld there’s a lot of delusion and paranoia these stays fueled by the refusal of both sides to really just sit down and talk and communicate with one another like sentient human beings.
No, they’d rather stay pumped on their Make Wrong of choice. Its sad, really. People like this are sad cases.
To be avoided whenever possible.
In Australia there are over 3,000 psychiatrists. That’s more than double the number of $cilons. So much for the all powerful CCHR .
Chris Shelton has made three excellent videos about conspiracy theories.
In “Scientology’s Conspiracy Theories and Recruitment Methods” he describes how these conspiracy theories were used in the CoS.
Btw, when I had left the CoS and the Sea Org, I had to get rid not only of the Scientology indoctrination, but also of Hubbard’s conspiracy theories which were interwoven into the subject. Then I had to distance myself from additional conspiracy theories which former members I trusted told me with strong conviction. And it goes on with other “normal” people….
The other videos from Chris shelton are:
“What is Wrong with Conspiracy Theorists?” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7Vy2ji4yos
“Why Conspiracy Theories Suck” – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yadfszp8Df8
Scientology uses the term ‘merchant of chaos’ to denigrate other groups, and individuals…but even when I was on staff I thought the church was the biggest ‘merchant’ of them all – constantly going on about decay, crime, corruption, addiction, war, and how dangerous the world is.
I was all a part of the ‘us against them’ mentality and of course the LRH and the cherch was the savior of mankind.
Excellent point, Zola.
How dangerous your own mind is. You must handle it. If not, you are dangerous yourself to everyone.
My favorite: “Deprivation of future leaders by the creation of Dope addiction (with a capital D) in schools.”
I want to point out that scientology’s supposed conservatism is phony. They may rail against “big government” but they will take whatever they can get from it. They’ll send Sea Org slaves to government health clinics and they’ll stiff hospitals for medical bills, for one example.
Hubbard himself milked the system for VA benefits, got stooges to write letters on his behalf, etc. He collected VA benefits up until the date of his death – even though he was worth 450 million dollars. When he finally got the benefits he whined for, he bragged about how he’d fleeced the powers that be. What a bunch of lying bastards.
The hypocrisy is mind-boggling, bix.
They rail against Big Government but despite their billions refuse offload Sea Org to emergency rooms, paid for by our taxes, when their members need care.
I have cousins who rail against the “creeping threat of socialism” but have no problem with it while filling out their Medicare forms and cashing their Social Security checks. They have endless physical problems and no savings and without these programs they’d be out on the street but, never mind, “socialism” is evil and must be stamped out 🙂
All I can do when I observe clueless behavior like this is shrug and laugh it off.
I have been out for a while now and have done a lot of healing.
I noticed the following side effects with myself and other Scientologists:
Side effects of doing Scientology and being a Scientologist:
1. Conspiracy Theorist – paranoid and believe the Wog world is very dangerous and everyone in the Wog World has an evil angle to destroy others.
2. Susceptible to scams, especially Multi-Levl Marketing scams.
5. Delusional – believing they “exteriorize” when in fact, they “disassociate” – which is a mental disorder
6. Delusional beliefs they have “super powers” and psychic powers when in fact, they have stupid powerzs and delusions of grandeur.
7. Easily manipulated by Scientology authority figures. They believe everything they are told without substantiating the facts or truths for themselves.
8. Robots – can’t think for themselves.
9. Many become criminal where they steal and become dishonest in the business dealings due to the “must have – can’t have” Scientology services, auditing and Bridge.
10. Many Scientologists do not deal in reality and are experiencing various levels of insanity. They “believe” they are doing well because they are thin and look younger while they go broke, divorced and shattered families, and really feel suppressed due to invalidation and nullification – the social intercourse of Scientology.
The road out is the truth. Learn the tactics and tricks L Ron Hubbard used on you to trick and deceive you.
4. Lack of appropriate emotions and empathy.
5. Cuss and swear
Brian Thomas Lambert says
It’s fascinating how Hubbard’s psychological problems, that translate into paranoia, can create such a vast organization which reflects those exact mental problems.
These poor people have been educated to be lunatics.
“These poor people have been educated to be lunatics.”
And a good portion of them were educated from infancy to be lunatics.
These stone-hearted “kids” who disconnected from their parents, who allow their parents to be vilified and labeled Suppressive persons, these children of Still Ins who break the hearts of their loving parents every day by refusing to communicate with them did not become lunatics overnite or in one ethics cycle at the org.
No single comm cycle could have such an effect. This is no accident, no error, no misunderstanding, no one-time thing.
Sorry, they were groomed from Day One to disconnect from anyone upon command.
From infancy they were groomed and trained to one day be capable of turning away and forever shunning and eliminating a person from their lives that their church tells them needs to be eliminated.
Their whole lives were spent being trained to one day be able to do this. To be capable of effectively saying, upon command, “Fuck you, I’m out of here” to anyone, with TOTAL certainty and conviction as to the 100% rightness of it all.
For Everyone who has gotten out & who hopes to find the courage to GET OUT….
Conspiracy theory is also woven in to Scientology itself, such as the Xenu story – with the psychs, who still have to be fought in this world, a make-believe battle to which members dedicate a fair amount of both time and money.
Old Surfer Dude says
You mean the Xenu (could be spelled Xemu) story is fake??? There goes my stable datum.
Dude, Xemu the Merciless was actually a foe of the Marvel Fantastic Four, and leader of the Invaders of the 5th Dimension, in pulp comics!
The Marvel issue #158 cover shown in that second thread is particularly rich.
Marvel introduced Xemu and the invader forces, years before Hubbard featured him in the Wall of Fire (OT III) and told his own tales of the 4th and 5th invader forces.
That’s what happens in hypnotic regression, as in auditing, when individuals are over-lead to try to call things such as supposed past lives, and instead fabricate imaginings – “dubbing in” – partly using material from below-conscious memories, such as a comic book cover seen somewhere.
There is certainly something to be said for facts regarding vested interests of very large corps, banks and billionaires. And Hubbard played on those historical influences to create an enemy to rally the troops against. He was able to blind Scientologists to the good parts of the medical industry, and therapists and Psychologists and Psychiatrists.
Hubbard was able to speak in generalities. One of the major traits of an anti-social personality
Cat W. says
In my view, politics on both the left and right has degenerated to competing conspiracy theories. I meet very few people of any stripe who have any kind of political analysis. Most don’t know of any difference between their pet conspiracy theory and political analysis. To me what sticks out about Scientologists (and, TBH, a fair percentage of former Scientologists) is that they are so right-wing in their conspiracy theories, for the reasons you spell out. I agree that conspiracy theory is not valid reasoning; I’m just not yet convinced that Scientologists are higher per capita in being conspiracy theorists.
My suggestion is: when convinced of a conspiracy, go to a search engine and type in “debunk” and the conspiracy theory. It’s not that no conspiracy theory is ever true, but it’s worthwhile to hear what people who disagree with your theory present as the counter-evidence.
Doug Sprinkke says
When I was at Big Blue for a couple of weeks in 1990 I happened to be in the waiting area, one of the staffers, Mike Owens, was trying to recruit a young African American man into joining staff or the Sea Org. I overheard him say the pay was going to be pretty low, at least he was honest. I also heard him say something to the effect that he knew things that the Government was trying to do that would terrify the average citizen if they were aware of it. I always thought it would be interesting to know what he was referring to.
Old Surfer Dude says
The SO recruiters tried to recruit my daughter when she was only 14 or 15 years old. They brought their laptop over and kept playing over and over the picture of the twin towers falling. (They got the footage from on line before it was banned). And their conspiracy “fact” was that no one ever drove airplanes into it, that it was rigged up for detonation and demolished just like the old casinos in Vegas were demolished, by explosive detonation by citizens of the US. And then they used this conspiracy thing as a way to get her to join the SO “since the world is so fucked up.”
You also have OSA spreading the idea that these conspiracies are currently active in their intent to destroy them…as evidenced to the lies spread on the Aftermath and its participants.
Promoting an ‘enemy’ out there distracts the parishioners from looking inside their own organization, thus the SPs as miscavige and a few others, are missed, (or forced to be missed if you even dare to mention it or consider it.)
These enemies are just the excuse of a narcissist coward that can’t have a ‘no’ for an answer, blames others for his failures and allows the sociopath to play the rol of a victim.
I have found that, in conversations and forums, involving even ex-scientologist, that many of them have still maintained a “conspiracy-theory” view of the world long after leaving the cult. I have seen much of this on the Ex Scientologist Message Board (https://forum.exscn.net/). It seem to me that this is the last vestige of being in the cult and the one thing that is the hardest to recognize in oneself and excise.
Roger Larsson says
Thetans stealing the bank from other thetans clear the planet. Is Ron Hubbard the only abberated on this planet?
Old Surfer Dude says
Wait…what? I thought fatso was on Target ll? Did he make an appearance recently? Man, nobody tells me anything!
You’re on a need-to-know basis, OSD.
Sarah Blodgett says
I recently rewatched an interview with Barbara Kaye, Hubs long-standing girl friend and she talked about seeing him, while married to Sarah, during a depressive episode where he was unkempt and paranoid. So sad that he fashioned a “religion” that perpetuated his paranoia and twisted mind set to trap people.