A very revealing collection of Hubbard quotes from the wonderful Scientology 101 website.
If you have never read the article at the Home page of this site “Scientology 101” I very much recommend it. It is a brilliant summary of MANY aspects of scientology.
I mentioned in my post of yesterday Scientology Targeting Black America that I would provide this collection today. I also note that many of these quotes come from a time when statements such as these were far more acceptable and commonplace, but that does not change the fact that society was more overtly racist then. You will note, especially in the quotes related to South Africa they also reflect Hubbard’s desire to ingratiate himself with the “powers that be.” Though he so often railed against governments and the “aberrated” men who ran them, he was constantly trying to make efforts to be accepted by them. At least until they expressed overt hostility towards him, then they became his avowed enemies. But even then, if he saw an advantage he could gain, he would say whatever it was that he thought they might want to hear. His willingness to tell “acceptable truths” is very well documented.
It is impossible to read these quotes and not conclude that Hubbard had a very low opinion of anyone who was a member of a non-white race. And some of them would make a dedicated Nazi proud.
Hubbard on Indians:
“Now we say there’s, well, another place in the world—there’s India. Wonderful place — except for its people.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, “The Control of Hysteria” (lecture), 15 April 1957.
“They smell of all the baths they didn’t take. The trouble with China is, there are too many chinks here.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, personal journal, 1928
“A Chinaman can not live up to a thing, he always drags it down. Hence…is rather dirty in spite of Japan’s efforts to clean it up.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, personal journal, 1928
“This is the only way I know of to keep Anzo from being deluged with Asiatic hordes.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, HCO Information Letter, “Anzo Supplement”, 17 February 1969
“When this government [Chiang Kaishek’s] finally fell there was no one ready to teach the Chinese the human way of life.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, The Dianetic Auditor’s Bulletin, Vol. 2, No. 1, “Education and the Auditor”, July 1951
“…China, slavishly dedicated to ancient scholars, incapable of generating within herself sufficient rulers to continue, without bloodshed, a nation.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, Fundamentals of Thought, Chapter “Causation and Knowledge”, Section “Civilization and Savagery”, page 113-114, 1997.
“You can put these things into the hands of some Chinese and send him to Hong Kong and we’ll have cleared chinks.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, Secrets of the MEST Universe (lecture 1), “Methods of Research: The Thetan as an Energy Unit”, 6 November 1952.
“The very nature of the Chinaman holds him back. If his fellow should fall, John thinks it quite proper that he stamp on the underdogs face.”
-L. Ron Hubbard, Ron’s Letters and Journals, “Early Years of Adventure” (Asia Diaries, 1927-1929)
“When it comes to the Yellow Races overrunning the world, you may laugh … [The Chinese] have neither the foresight or endurance to overrun any white country in any way except by intermarriage. One American marine could stand off a great many yellowmen without much effort.”
-L. Ron Hubbard, personal journal (Asia Diaries, 1927-1929) as quoted by Russell Miller in Bare-Faced Messiah, page 42.
Hubbard’s opinion of Japanese:
“Japanese is a baby talk — very, very hard to read, very, very, easy to talk. … A very faint kind of language.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, New Slant on Life, Bridge Publications, 1997.
“One of the reasons they [the Japanese] have bad eyesight is probably these microscopic characters [furigana] which have many lines and strokes to them. … We wonder why they went mad and bombed Pearl Harbor when they knew they couldn’t win. That [the Japanese language] would be a reason.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, “The Part Played by the Analytical Mind” (lecture), 19 July 1950 (as quoted by Anthony Roberts in an a.r.s. post)
“There is no madder nation than Japan. … And that nation has the highest rate of suicide, has the highest rate of thick-lens glasses and did the most suicidal trick a few years ago. It’s the doggonedest country.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, Perception of Truth, part 2: “Logics 1-7″, a lecture given on 10 November 1952.
“… gooks … really more or less savage at heart.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, personal diary, June-July 1927
Hubbard on Arabs:
“In North Africa they had the Arab with the gun and whip, but he could force people to do things … and he accomplished a tremendous amount of extermination, but he certainly didn’t advance that civilization very much.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, PAB No. 119, 1 September 1957, as published in Level 0 PABS (c.1968, The American St. Hill Organization)
“He’s [the Arab] been going crazy steadily and gradually ever since he lost the early very fertile basins of the Middle East. He’s been going crazy ever since he failed to learn wheat farming and brought about the erosion of all of the fertile areas of the Middle East.
“This race has been going for a very, very long time and has been eating death for a very long time and it is death. … They have eaten death too long and now they bring death to the things they touch.
“The Arab is to a point where he won’t even follow a decent leader. He’s got to have a man of blood, a man of cruelty, exaggeration and bigotry. Then he’ll follow him.
“…the Arab is trying to be pleased with death and murder and mayhem and disease and poverty and political unrest.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, 20th Advanced Clinical Course, “Case Analysis—Rock Hunting”, lecture of 4 August 1958
Hubbard on Egyptians (and French):
“Those small brown men who sell their sisters on the streets of Cairo were once the mighty Egyptians.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, Ability, issue 56, October 1957, quoted in Winning (“News Journal of the Office of Special Affairs”) vol.1, iss.3, 1997
On the Jewish race:
“Now it’s of peculiar interest to an Arab country that there is a company and a certain set of bankers who also finance the World Federation of Mental Health. …and we see that although the KGB and so forth seems to be associated with the World Federation of Mental Health, their other organization in action seems to go back to Jewish Bankers.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, Aides Conference, “Covert Operations”, 2 November 1969
“Furthermore, [Sigmund Freud] had a racial fixation on sex, a fixation sufficiently pronounced to cause it to infect contagiously all modern European stock.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, PAB No. 92, “A Critique of Psychoanalysis”, 10 July 1956
“The South African native is probably the one impossible person to train in the entire world — he is probably impossible by any human standard.”
-L. Ron Hubbard, Professional Auditors Bulletin No. 119, 1 September 1957, “The Big Auditing Problem,” as published in Level 0 PABS (c.1968, The American St. Hill Organization).
“As long as a white foreman is there, they will prevent soil erosion; but the moment that a white foreman turns his back — boo! There goes the whole program.
“And you finally get up to the point of where he’s [native] supposed to take care of something, a lesson which has never been taught to the native of South Africa.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, 15th ACC (Power of Simplicity) lecture “Education: Point of Agreement”, 30 Oct 1956.
“The insanity rate per capita in South Africa is appalling. …it is easily seen that a primary requisite in any programme of the rehabilitation of the Bantu in South Africa would be mental health…”
–L. Ron Hubbard, HCOB April 1960, “The Scientific Treatment of the Insane”
“A “black South African’s” withholds read not only on the needle [of the E-meter] alone but on the Tone Arm [sensitivity adjustment] as well.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, E-Meter Essentials, section I: “Meter Oddities”, 1988 (pg. 24)
“Perhaps the unusually strong withholds can be explained by the Bantu’s mercenary nature:
Because the one thing — the very, very commercial little culture the Bantu has … the idea of commerce and money and that sort of thing is very deeply ingrained in these people.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, SHSBC, “Errors in Time”, 18 July 1963
“…the African tribesman, with his complete contempt for truth and his emphasis on brutality and savagery for others but not for himself, is a no-civilization.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought, Bridge Publications: Los Angeles, 1997.
“You’ll find in Africans a fantastic amount of heavy space opera and so on, going on … which makes the colored African very, very interesting to process because he doesn’t know why he goes through all these dances … and why he feels so barbarous ….”
–L. Ron Hubbard, 1st Melbourne ACC, lecture “Principal Incidents on the Track”, 27 November 1959.
“They took people who were totally dedicated to certain tribal procedures … and said, ‘You’re free.’ And they said, ‘Free. Free? Free. Ah! You mean there’s no police anymore.’ Boom! Boom!”
–L. Ron Hubbard, State of Man Congress, Opening lecture, 1 January 1960.
“The Zulu is only outside the bars of a madhouse because there are no madhouses provided by his tribe. … primitives are far more aberrated than civilized peoples. Their savageness, their unprogressiveness, their incidence of illness …”
–L. Ron Hubbard, Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health, Bridge Publications, Los Angeles, 1995.
The Church runs security checks on members suspected of certain criminal behaviors. The Johannesburg Security Check is “the roughest security check in Scientology” and consists of a series of pointed questions which Scientologists answer while on the E-meter (in this case, used more like a lie detector than an auditing tool). Included in the list of “crimes” is engaging in an intimate relationship with a member of a “colored” race. A selected portion of the questions demonstrates the seriousness of this crime:
“Have you ever slept with a member of a race of another color? Have you ever committed culpable homicide? Have you ever bombed anything? Have you ever murdered anyone? Have you ever kidnapped anyone?”
–L. Ron Hubbard, HCOPL 7 April 1961, “Johannesburg Security Check”
There are hints that Scientology membership was limited to whites, at least initially, in their organizations in southern Africa.
“Now if we can get white population, immigrants and big companies and so on moving into Africa and if we can get with that Scientology well established in Southern Africa, why we can then look forward to a salvage operation base, in case the northern hemisphere’s lights go out.
–L. Ron Hubbard, recorded talk to the Saint Hill staff about Rhodesia, 6 May 1966
“As South Africa has a white population of only 2.8 million or thereabouts, you can see that every other central organization in the world has been out-created.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, HCOB 17 July 1959, “Africa over the Top”
Hubbard appears to have thought the problem of apartheid was overstated.
“The problem of South Africa is different than the world thinks. There is no native problem. The native worker gets more than white workers do in England! […] The South African government is not a police state. It’s easier on people than the United States government!
–L. Ron Hubbard, HCOB 10 October 1960, “Current News”
“It is considered in England and the United States that the Government of South Africa is altogether too harsh with its native peoples. It is sadly humorous to notice that the native in South Africa, however, holds an exactly reverse opinion and the fault he finds with the South African Government is that it is far too lenient in its administration of laws throughout the native populace.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, PAB No. 96, “Justice”, 15 September 1956
“… tremendous labour supply in the Bantu, the Mshombe, the Matabele, these people are very hard-working people and under proper direction are quite productive. … and here is this perfectly valid labour supply — the African, who at this time is not being well utilised at all …”
–L. Ron Hubbard, Conference with the Guardian, 18 July 1966
“But they served with great enthusiasm. Those people sure can work. The African sure can work. That’s one thing nobody has ever quite noticed about them. They are very hard-working people.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, “About Rhodesia”, lecture given on 19 July 1966
“Having viewed slum clearance projects in most major cities of the world may I state that you have conceived and created in the Johannesburg townships what is probably the most impressive and adequate resettlement activity in existence.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, Letter to South African Prime Minister Dr. H.F. Verwoerd, 7 November 1960, Johannesburg; reprinted in part in G.P.C. Kotzé, Inquiry into the Effects and Practices of Scientology 1972
“Illiterate cultures do not survive and they are not very high. The natives of the tribe of the Bugga Bugga Booga Boogas down in Lower Bugga Wugga Booga Woog are mostly no longer with us, or they are around waving red flags today and revolting against their central government.
“And they didn’t learn fast. Their literacy was not up to absorbing culture rapidly.
“They’ve been very happily down amongst the bong-bong trees, you know, dancing up and down amongst the bong-bong trees, and the highest level of their interest and so forth was their own back yard.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, The Study Tapes, “Study: Evaluation and Information”, lecture given on 11 August 1964
“Actually, have you ever noticed how a Negro, in particular down south, where they’re pretty close to the soil, personifies MEST? The gatepost and the wagon and the whip and anything around there—a hat. They talk to them, you know. ‘What’sa mattuh wi’ you hat?’ They imbue them with personality.”
–L. Ron Hubbard, Therapy section of Technique 80 (“Route to Infinity” tapes), Part I, a lecture given on 21 May 1952
So what you’re saying is, LRH was Based AND Redpilled?
Joseph, Ph.D. says
Please don’t conflate race and ethnicity.
It is strange that you have not noted a single of his Russophobic statement, and there are more of them than those quoted above.
Or maybe you agree with them.
Mike Rinder says
I didnt think Russians were considered a different race? Aren’t Russians, at least in Western half of the country the prototypical Caucasians?
Also didnt include his ant-psych, or anti-FBI or anti-gay or anti a lot of things quotes.
Maybe not considered of race (in your opinion) but they do have culture and if their culture is attacked, it is worth noting. Just like the rest of the cultures and races listed above.
Andrea Garner says
And yet, aren’t thetans supposed to exist outside of human constructs? Oh, that Ron. He never fails to disgust me.
I have published many of these quotes myself at Mockingbird’s Nest blog on Scientology and quoted extensively from great work by many others describing both Hubbard’s words and actions.
He actually wrote a constitution intended to establish two houses of parliament. An upper house for whites would hold all power and a lower house for blacks would hold no power. That he believed black people would be fooled by this says a lot about his character.
I have often said that his true feelings about race, sex and religion had been expressed to me before I joined Scientology in full I would have run the other way.
I saw only a tiny fraction of his beliefs and they were spread out over many hundreds of references.
Scientology if presented honestly and without cherry picked acceptable truths at the beginning of your indoctrination is the best warning against Scientology.
Unfortunately, I found out the hard way that it takes a lot of digging and sorting information to see what Scientology is really about, along with learning the true history of Ronald Hubbard, the organization and the technology, and a significant amount from related subjects like hypnosis, thought reform, psychology and rhetoric, you know, the usual.
I feel that publishing this exact material is always timely, because there are always people who have left Scientology who can benefit from it, there are always people considering leaving Scientology who can benefit from it, there are always people who are considering Scientology as an activity who can benefit from it. There are always people who want to understand cults or Hubbard. It’s always useful for someone.
White, Black, Brown, Red and Yellow Thetans…..who knew?
Yes LRH was an asshat racist!
J. A. Reyes says
If he were alive today, that science fiction writer would be a Trumper and would align himself with the most racist faction of the party. He would probably join the American Nazi party. But then what could you possibly expect from someone who calls non-scns, wogs, which according to Merriam-Webster.com is “used as an insulting and contemptuous term for a dark-skinned foreigner and especially for one from the Middle East or Far East”.
And the scns must wonder why they cannot attract POC to their thought control group.
J. A., I think there’s an interesting paradox that back in Scientology’s prime era, many of those involved were liberal or progressive minded, children of the 60s. So some of the old-timers seem to know a Scientology at odds with what you refer to.
But the CofS seems to have come to embody much more of that side of Hubbard in recent decades. Tony Ortega has documented how they’ve tried to ingratiate themselves with conservatives and even the Trump White House, and that quite a few members are aligned with MAGA and Qanon.
The scn tech dictionary just defines wog as worthy Oriental gentleman, a common ordinary humanoid who isn’t even really trying.
Many people think the term comes from a contraction of “Golliwog”, a black doll like character appearing in popular illustrated children’s books published in England in the late 19th century. English scientologists would probably be aware of the implication but American scientologists would not. I just thought it was a funny way to refer to non scientologists. Scn trivia
Richard, Scientology re-defines wog – the only people who believe that version are a few tens of thousands of people indoctrinated by Hubbard, not “many” (though of course if those were the people you hung out with, it might seem so). The tech “dictionary” is a thought reform and propaganda tool as much as anything.
If you dig a little deeper you’ll find that claim is actually a false etymology or “backronym”:
It’s a good point that British scientologists would have well known, as my English relatives informed us, that it was a terrible slur that shouldn’t be used. So it is especially vile that the term continued to be adopted after Hubbard moved to Saint Hill.
What Hubbard was doing with you was playing the childish game of teaching the gullible an unfamiliar bad word given a false definition, and then taking perverse, psychopathic pleasure in seeing followers going around using it, in the case of Americans oblivious to its actual meaning, and in the case of Brits willing to compromise their principles at his command.
I’d have more respect for him if he had derived it from the old US seafaring term “pollywog.” But he didn’t.
He went with “worthy oriental gentleman” which imho he either knew to be a lie or he’s an idiot. There is no evidence the word was ever (sincerely) used in that capacity. In Britain, the term “WOGS” was used during WW2 as an acronym for any non Brit (usually southern Europeans, Indians and Africans – ie anyone who wasn’t white as snow) who was “Working On Government Service.” See actual evidence of its use at https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/88/a2778988.shtml and decide for yourself whether it was derogatory.
As a Brit who grew up in the 80s, the word “wog” was only ever used as a racial slur towards non-whites. It was bad. Worse than the n word. As a kid, I was led to believe the word was derived from golliwog. I actually had a golliwog as a tot. I hated it. My fave teddy bear was bright blue and furry, with a rather dashing red felt jacket.
The word has a complicated history. And just because the mob says all uses of a word are now “offensive” doesn’t mean we should pay heed or engage in Newspeak. But a religious leader should know better, imho. This is the guy who cancelled the term “fair game” due to bad PR…but thought “wog” was okay. And all of the above.
Going back to “What does the material state?” (joke) a few years ago someone posted a link to an early Unabridged Scientology Technical Dictionary, all 300+ illustrated pages of it. The Scns who wrote and edited it found a couple of benign definitions in two Briefing Course tapes.
WOG, 1. worthy Oriental gentleman. This means a common ordinary run-of-the-mill garden-variety humanoid. (SH Spec 661 1C29) 2. a wog is somebody who isn’t even trying. (SH Spec 46, 6608C02)
Don’t blame me for using a slur. Blame the rascals who wrote the dictionary. LOL
“And the word wog, of course, is in essence a ‘worthy oriental gentleman’ as been defined by the Royal Air Force. There’s nothing derogatory in being called a wog. As a matter of fact, that was the source of a general order issued in Egypt on the complaint of the Egyptian government. The air force officers were calling Egyptians wogs. So the commanding officer defined it. And he said, ‘Well, wog, that means worthy oriental gentleman,’ and insisted his officers use it. Those were in the days when the Empire wasn’t dead! Anyway, this means a common, ordinary, run-of-the-mill, garden-variety humanoid.” — LRH, from the lecture SCIENTOLOGY DEFINITIONS I: OT AND CLEAR DEFINED, 29 November 1966.
Not blaming you, just Hubbard for being a dick. There is no evidence of any such order being issued. And even if there was it was arguably a “shore story” as WOGS was already an established acronym (see my prev comment) and its target was not limited to “orientals.” Its use in Britain, irrespective of derivation, has largely been as a pejorative – which Hubbard must have known. He was either purposely lying or displaying “the reasonable attitude of the not quite bright.” Either way, it’s not a good look for “mankind’s greatest friend.” 🤮
B. Radle says
That is the dumbest comment I’ve ever read. Us “Trumpers” like the truth. We would never follow teachings that lead us away from God. You have a lot to learn about conservatives. But, most on the left don’t believe in anything that remotely resembles the truth.
As a child in Scotland, we all had black dolls called “Polly Wogs” just shortened to “Wogs”, I always thought that’s where the term came from. Thankfully, the dolls fell out of fashion decades ago.
Indeed, this compendium of LRH quotes falls short of the commonly held mythology about him in Scientology that Hubbard is Siddhartha, the Buddha. The tales that Hubbard had been for several lifetimes “working on this” (the technology of setting man free). So, when he masterfully entered THIS lifetime, no surprise he put himself in a family where his parents would transport him around the Far East. Young Lafayette would have exposure to his decidedly benign essence, his origins as a spiritual leader and planet-transforming teacher and philosopher. Later, in another unsurprisingly masterful move, he would study “one of the first nuclear science courses ever” back in the U.S. With that and other in-depth studies in medicine, the humanities, and engineering, Hubbard would fuse East and West together in a way NO ONE ELSE COULD. He would fulfill his now several-lifetime quest to “break” the material and spirit bond and stably set Man free (ladies, too).
If this many times recounted (in the group) mythology was true, the entirety of Hubbard’s writings, especially as a grown adult, would more resemble the reliably compassionate urgings of the Dalai Lama, than what is assembled here. It would be, for such an evolved being, in the vernacular, “a no brainer.”
Peridot, it’s a great point that Hubbard should have been more enlightened about such things. Scientology’s excuse for him and themselves seem to be along the lines of “no worse than anyone else” – which of course when scrutinized, is completely in contradiction with their claim of being superior in all respects.
I can appreciate the argument that an older generation raised in a certain environment shouldn’t necessarily be judged too harshly by modern standards, at least when it comes to attitudes and not actions. But I don’t think that applies in a case like Hubbard, and his following, who make such claims to timeless ideals. You are right that real leaders like the Dalai Lama (born in 1935) exemplify true spirituality.
jim rowles says
Exactly as you say.
As revealed above Mike Rinder exposes a thoroughly nasty work of a man. Maybe the new LRH 2.0 , an ex-con with a bad temper, really IS LRH 1.0 returned, and is just doing what comes natural to him.
For the rest of time people will make some usually small judgements about people who are not the same color, ethnicity, religion, sexual preference and so on. Everyone is supposed to be outraged and have their blood pressure go up at the slightest hint of “racism” which is usually just noting differences. No amount of government, corporate or educational thought reform will change it.
Mike Rinder says
Are you saying these quotes are “just noting differences”? Just want to be sure I understand.
Hubbard believed the white race is superior to all other races which is racism. I’m speaking of the broader picture in America where many people including the President are declaring that America is Systemically Racist. If someone wants to go sign himself/herself and their children up for Critical Race Theory training go ahead. The vast majority of people will find themselves to be NOT racist and don’t need reeducation. It’s always the other guy who is a racist.
Mike Rinder says
Thanks for clarifying. Glad you were not trying to “explain away” the Hubbard statements. In my experience, some of the most racist people I have met are the most assertive they are not at all racist.
Richard, scientific research shows that humans have inherent biases regarding others outside of their ethnic group – thus it’s literally true, for instance, that we see those from other groups as looking all the same to us, and have trouble distinguishing individual features.
So there is some truth to concepts like systemic racism, though I woud disagree with some of the more strident political and ideological takes on it. But it’s probably true that we all do need some training and education to overcome our innate tendencies towards bias, just like we may need anger management, help with addictions, awareness and training to overcome cognitive biases that can lead to errors in fields like investing (we tend to have the gambler’s habit of doubling down on bad bets), etc.
Most of what I see claimed as “just noting differences” is actually superficial, sloppy Hubbard style generalizations, like references to stereotypes about the urban poor (“welfare queens”) who are mostly people of color, rather than balanced discussion that takes into account the actually more numerous white rural poor (Maine for instance is second in the nation in most welfare rates, and the first or second “whitest” – but have you ever seen them singled out as “different”?).
To me one of Hubbard’s greatest errors or oversights was that he failed to address any sorts of inherent or instinctual behaviors or biases, other than a bit of early dabbling around with the idea of the “genetic entity” that was soon abandoned. But if he had he would have enlightened his followers about just the sort of things that he and Scientology exploit.
Here’s an introductory article from one of the major mainstream business magazines, a source that if anything in general tends to skew “conservative:”
You’re More Racist Than You Think: How Your Mental Biases Perpetuate Racism And How To Fix Them
Hey PeaceMaker – Those were some good counter points. Thanks! Scn topics sometimes spill out onto current political and social issues. Not as a habit but maybe one in awhile Mike could let the Lefties and Righties fight it out and see if everyone could remain sane for a day. lol
Just to be a bit facetious someone on another blog had this idea. If you teach a white kid that he has “privilege” just because he’s white he might think, “Well . . . why would I want to change that?” Somewhat similar would be an NOI kid being taught he’s “superior”.
The list goes on – scratches head – needs more thought.
Some part of the population believes that “equality” among people can be achieved through legislation, income redistribution and education or reeducation. Another part believes that providing “equal opportunity” where everyone can rise to the level of their own ability and drive is the better approach.
Regarding religion, Jews should stop believing they are God’s chosen people. Fundamentalist Christians should stop believing that non fundamentalists are heathens. Muslims should believe that . . .
Did I miss anything? . . . . . . (joke)
Yikes – The more I think about this I might be racist, bigoted and prejudiced about damn near everything! On the other hand think I’m smarter than many people but freely admit I’m dumber than a lot of other people across the entire range of humanity. I’ll go with that and I hereby declare myself non-racist!
Regarding the Forbes article, psychologists being psychologists they want you dive inside your head and analyze everything. Eliminating all negative thoughts about identities other than your own could be quite a project depending on the scope and most people don’t need to do it anyhow.
I’ve just resolved all my “issues” regarding race , politics and religion. What’s next? 😇
Am I being too unscientific here, PeaceMaker? lol
P.S. I tend to be facetious but PeaceMaker’s comment and the Forbes article and some of the other comments here made me take another look and gave me a new perspective.
Richard, glad if I could help contribute to a new “viewpoint”* 🙂 I try to think things through thoroughly, and be evidence-based.
I actually give my more dogmatic left/progressive friends grief over rhetoric that I think is too extreme, and ends up alienating people who should be allies. To me it doesn’t promote real understanding of the issues, when there is actually merit to them.
Since I have your ear, so to speak, I’d ask you also to consider that within my lifetime if not yours, there were people who because of legal discrimination couldn’t marry who they wanted to without moving to another state (the Lovings didn’t win their Supreme Court case until 1967), get education in a field they wanted to pursue through their state’s colleges and universites (not all desegrated until the 1960s), or buy housing where the prices were going up and not down – just for starters. So there are people still alive – I’ve known some of them – who didn’t have equal opportunity due to their race, and because that set some of them so far behind socio-economically, subsequent generations didn’t necessarily start from a baseline that was average, either. And there are pockets of multi-generational white poverty where I live and it’s entrenched in similar ways, if not exacerbated by historic legal discrimination. I don’t think things like reparations are generally the answer due to all sorts of messy details including not addressing disadvantaged poor white people (some the descendants of immigrants brought to this country to work in virtual indentured servitidude in the likes of mining company towns), but the theory that everyone has equal opportunity doesn’t address the reality, either. For example, I can also tell you that when I took some professional courses at a city-center public university a few years back, I saw young adults from minority and disavantaged backgrounds really struggling, and sometimes failing, because of the need to work to earn money sometimes even to support their families besides themselves — meanwhile my own own kids graduated debt-free from prominent private colleges (a major leg up in life on both counts) thanks in part to the sort of multi-generational wealth accumulation in my family, that almost no Black families have the opportunity of.
* referring to an old scientological term that veteran indies are fond of
PeaceMaker – Good points and I agree. A cultural and societal new broad look at racism, bigotry and predudice is welcome. Government sponsored and enforced thought reform like CRT is a red line for myself and many other people.
BTW – For a long time I always wrote “point of view” thinking that “viewpoint” is sciospeak but it has a King’s English definition.
1. a place affording a view of something; position of observation:
to sketch a river from the viewpoint of a bluff.
2. an attitude of mind, or the circumstances of an individual that conduce to such an attitude:
new marketing techniques seen from the consumer’s viewpoint.
oops – http://www.dictionary.com
I’ll go back to point of view on scn blogs to prevent confusion – haha
Todd Cray says
Most assuredly, there are those who will use the “those were different times then” excuse. What’s really remarkable about these quotes is the fact that Hubbard claimed that he was a student of Eastern religions and had studied many different races up close. Supposedly that informed the great wisdom that “source” had to offer.
These quotes tell a different tale. Hubbard the traveler was an “ugly American” a very ugly one, in his travels. Clearly no foreign peoples would have opened up to a guy like that and shared their ethnic spiritual secrets with him. Nor would he have listened.
Rip Van Winkle says
To spend time with people, to show interest, to indulge in ones desire to learn how others feel and think and live and create……
generally fosters a closer sense of humanity and connectedness.
that’s the way it works for me.
I guess if you arrive to the party looking for an audience or to check a box and pick up a badge, results may vary.
As I was born into Scientology, that was where I learned my racism. There’s always environmental racism, but it mostly came from Scientology. The good thing about environmental racism is that it is constantly eroding, though it’s taking a very long time.
It’s been a long road for me to unlearn Hubbard’s repressive racial constructs.
“The Arab is to a point where he won’t even follow a decent leader. He’s got to have a man of blood, a man of cruelty, exaggeration and bigotry. Then he’ll follow him.”
If that were true, every “Arab” would have embraced Scientology, because Hubbard just described himself.
George M White says
Great research on Hubbard the racist, bigot, asshole. In his diary he, visited China in his early days. He called the chanting Monks “Croaking Frogs”. Hubbard claimed to have mastered all of the religions in the world. Yea, right Hubbard was a total phony – he was the croaking frog
Sick, mental, racist pile of shit. Pretty much sums up Hubbard. F**k him and all who agree with his racist bullshit.
(I’m just shaking my head.)
Jere Lull says
What’s scary to me is that even after 40 years of re-integration into actual civilization, his bigoted and racist statements still ring somewhat ‘true’ to me. The society he promoted as his version of Utopia had no civility in it. If he offended anyone, it was THEIR failure to embrace his way of thinking, not that he was ignorant and boorish.
There are so many thing I want to write and say but they all come down to LRH was an asshole.
Everything LRH taught was flawed and mean just like him. Self-awareness, which is necessary for growth and needed for empathy is punished in Scientology therefore there is no growth, no expansion of thought or doctrine.
It all comes back to LRH is an asshole
Jere Lull says
Diane observed:”It all comes back to LRH is an asshole”
succinct and exactly right! Other than the “is”. He WAS.
Now, he’s dead and rotted away, only his “wisdom” remaining. Guy had no censor, no self-awareness.
Let’s please add:
–L. Ron Hubbard, Scientology: The Fundamentals of Thought, Bridge Publications: Los Angeles, 1997.
“Unlike yellow and brown people, the white does not usually believe he can get attention from matter or objects. The yellow and brown believe for the most part (and it is all a matter of consideration) that rocks, trees, walls etc. can give them attention. The white man seldom believes this and so is likely to become anxious about people. Thus the white saves people, prevents famine, flood, disease and revolution for people as the only purveyors of attention are scarce. The white goes further. He often believes he can get attention only from whites and that yellow and brown peoples’ attention is worthless. Thus the yellow and brown races are not very progressive but by and large, saner. And the white race is progressive but more frantic. The yellow and brown races do not understand white concern for “bad conditions” since what is a few million dead men? There are plenty of identities and there is plenty of attention, they think. The white can’t understand them. Nor can they understand the white.”
(Chapter 3 “The Conditions of Existence”, section “Identity and Attention”, pp. 35–36)
Apologists will claim that LRH was “a man of his time”, that you are using moral relativism and presentism to “denigrate” him.
But if LRH couldn’t have known better because no one else did, then wtf does scientology stand for?
What is the point of a religious message if it has to adapt and evolve with silly wog laws and social progression? What does a religion stand for when its supposedly eternal truths are now decided to be false?
If time and knowledge can expose scriptural fallacies then what does that say about the scriptures as a whole? What else will time and knowledge uncover?
Some religious groups have apologised for their “mistakes”. As tenuous as they’ve been, in the absence of reparation, at least they admitted to some of them. The CoS, meanwhile, has never apologised. Their own policies prohibit them from disowning Hub’s hatred or their resultant abuses.
So whilst individual scientologists may attempt to reconcile these issues on a personal level, they cannot have it both ways. It is the height of cognitive dissonance to defend Hubbard as a product of his time yet support an institution that considers his words absolute, unalterable truth.
If you talk to a Koolade drinker, they’ll proudly tell you that LRH went to Rhodesia, South Africa, to end apartheid and stick up for the blacks there. I’d like to see these same Koolade drinkers’ faces if they read all the quotes above that show LRH to be opposite of what the shore story is. And he crossed the wrong people while in Rhodesia and got kicked out of their country. That’s how effective he was at ending apartheid. But even the Koolade drinkers when faced with all this, they spin it their way to make LRH look like the hero in spite of evidence and fact otherwise.
Scientology wasn’t designed to outlast LRH. Scientology wasn’t designed to evolve. All real religions evolve. If Ben Shapiro (to name a Conservative example) were to walk into the Second Temple he would be immediately denounced.
Jere Lull says
Hubbard was out of step with his “own” time. AS he wrote those things, even school children would have seen those prejudices as outmoded and wrong. I read them and was taken aback, but ‘study tech’ forced me to figure out SOME way in which there could be truth in his pronouncements. After many instances of that, the falsehoods ‘stuck’, damn it. It was my fault for giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Peggy L says
This just makes me so, I don’t, know maybe I just find it insulting that this pompous blowhard gaping ass believed that he had contributed anything to mankind when there are so many persons of color, persons not of his race, who actually have and do contribute to a better life for millions. When this cult calls others bigots the fairy tale writer they worship was a card carrying bigot and racist. His ego and ignorance were the only things he had an expertise in.
I can’t help but see so many similarities between LRH and his followers in comparison to tRump and his followers.
Both full of ego and ignorance. Both running a cult but wont admit it. Both scamming money from their followers. And while trump may have not insisted on shunning family members that dont believe, he has managed to tear apart many families! The similarities are bone chilling! 😬
I always knew the man was a monster verging on insanity.
But these quotes reveal him to be quite stupid in many ways – or perhaps he was drunk when he wrote them.
Jere Lull says
Skyler, there’s the 3rd alternative: stupid AND drunk. Or maybe drunk stupid.
Thank you Jere. I can always count on you to improve my posts. Please feel free to improve away any time you like!
Clearly Not Clear says
I’d read some things that LRH wrote that were hard to swallow, but this all on one place, is a horrendous recital of hate and disrespect.
Everyone who thinks this is a religion should read this.
Any good person who wants to help the world get better, should run not walk out.
Jere Lull says
Clearly not clear, you ARE clear — of that evil man and the institution he built on lies.
There is a spot in a lecture where Hubbard try’s to imitate a black dialect. He talks about a father wondering where his “chillen awl gone”. Eaten by alligators down at the river bank. He thinks this is hilarious.
Christian Scientologist Joy Villa does a shout out to her “brother in Christ” Kanye West eleven days after she posted photos of herself at L. Ron Hubbard House on Linksfield Ridge in South Africa.
April 12, 2021:
April 23, 2021:
Memorialized with screenshots in the following thread on ESMBR (be sure to scroll down):
Based L. Ron Hubbard.
I reject your pseudo-moral framework.