Plenty of good laughs this week…
Experience Your Own?
Just by going to graduation?
The thrill of fruit…
Greg and Elizabeth has achieved….
Yo, Dave. When is the Golden Age of KTL coming?
The Power of Canada!
On display with the CO FSSO and Jim Meskimen?
Attend live in your local org? A “live” zoom call?
This is definitely going to make the whole country ideal…
There are still orgs in Canada that after 20 years have gone nowhere — Calgary, Edmonton. Let alone Toronto and they didn’t even need to buy a building!
Epic, Inspirational, Spectacular, Groundbreaking, World Class, Out of this World, Breathtaking…
I think they missed a few favorites: Monumental, Watershed, Unprecedented, Amazing
You have to believe with this hype that Captain Miscavige will be there to yank his ribbon.
How grateful I am for COB
How does this work? Dave invented the Floating T/A?
Wonder how old his son is…
Wonder what she publicaly speculated about?
Again, GAK (Golden Age of KTL) is really needed.
Just steer clear of the org.
Ireland is DEFINITELY worth visiting.
Join OSA and make peace
Unless you are talking about destroying the enemies of scientology
An Easter BBQ and Karaoke
Nothing says respect for this Christian occasion quite like a Danish BBQ, air hockey and karaoke…
Not really “With” LRH
But you can watch hypemeister Dan Sherman spin some tall, long-winded tales about the man.
Who’s zooming who?
At least it doesn’t say to attend “live” in your local org
You’re supposed to DO something to earn an FSM Commission.
But likely nobody will come in anyway…
What did I get from OT III?
How much we help…
The New Civilization?
What is she talking about?
And why would anyone listen to her? Scientology’s PR is abysmal….
You cannot grow flowers in the wrong soil
The wise words of Arte Maren…
Why would anyone listen to this guy?
You cannot learn success from a failure (wiser words of Mike Rinder)
Are You Alive Today?
Some more words of wisdom from another failure.
The OT Committee is FUN!
Yessiree. Even though it looks ordinary and not pertinent, it is not.
We all tell ourselves in our own surveys we are having fun. So, it must be true.
Get rid of your emotions…
Other than (fake) gleeful happiness
Doubtful. If they scrape together 50 kids and their parents they will consider it a huge success and we will see the promotion about it in a few weeks.
Out of a house and into the building in the photo at the bottom.
Now THAT’S some serious straight up and verticalness right there…
Sunland Mission is Rocking
The unnamed “Executive Director Model Ideal Org of Los Angeles” says so.
KTL Dave. Please.
Maria McC says
I wonder if COS Dublin has paid the artist (gothic letters) who created the image “celtic letter D” for use of their art on their Irish propaganda materials.
might have to message them to check…………..looks the same to me
Dotey OT says
This mechanism of an organization survives mostly because of an important component. It constantly is blaring “WE’RE WINNING!!” Most success stories written practically under duress. Events. Events. Promo. PR. It’s a PR is pushed always. A vast subject but very important in a world of noise.
One excellent point repeated in the paper, is calling some of Narconon’s program:
“behavior modification” and “behavior training”.
The US Constitutional framework I thought would not allow US Govt funding to “faith” based treatment programs.
That seems to cross the line of religion and state.
But other countries do fund their country’s “state religion” so US not doing so is outside those other countries’ norms.
How to fund “faith” with govt funding, a country can decide what they wish to do, and which religions get a slice of the govt funding pie, and which do not.
Placebo treatments work probably just as effective as some faith based treatments, so on the basis of ‘workability’ (if the bar is placebo gains on par with other treatments’ honestly proven effectiveness) seems like they too should honestly get a shot.
But that opens this problem to that whole problem of placebo workability.
Just a thing kids should be educated into.
It’s a kind of thing I think slipped past me in high school, or even college, I just didn’t get, back then in life, the placebo effect and how broadly it applies across various things in life.
It’s kind of also the scientific method, and doing sufficient research to rule out the placebo benefit of things.
Narconon, no doubt, produces some placebo benefit. It’s just not scientifically proven more effective, and rather has a lot of harm in where it guides people’s lives.
I think a treatment to gain Govt funding ought to better the placebo percentage average effectiveness. And not include in that treatment harmful aspects.
Religious based treatments have to meet that test.
“The US Constitutional framework I thought would not allow US Govt funding to “faith” based treatment programs.”
That shouldn’t surprise you Chuck. The US Constitution doesn’t allow the gov to fund ANY treatment programs except for those that serve military personal.
So many absurdities to unpack.
Join OSA: I remember realizing on a more recent reading of that LRH quote where a major flaw lies — “where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights”. That is not a vibrant civilization works. A strong and healthy civilizations makes sure it’s less able can prosper. It is also rather telling that their definition of “honest beings” is somehow exclusive to people paying money to the CoS even when they’re telling the most vile of lies about others.
Cheating / Easy FSM cycle: That’s about the baseline for pyramid schemes. Put out a bunch of letters, flyers, marketing that you’ve added your name to and just wait for the commissions to start pouring in. (I’m also amused that these are the same boxes that some have been reporting found in oddball spots such as buried among other items on a convenience store counter, without the person placing them having gotten permission.)
Flowers in the wrong soil: The really sad thing about that is how opposite day orgs are run. Staff are known by titles, not names, so that people leaving and people joining are supposed to cause minimal disruption. Leaving staff is supposed to be so secret that no one but you and the ethics officer (or whoever was on the routing form know), to the degree it is an overt to let someone else know they’ll have to cover the post in the near future. (Crazy given how hard it is to request time off because you have to find someone able to cover your post, and no one has the free time to do so.)
As a former KTL course supervisor, I love your KTL comments! These are a bunch of illiterates.
The best thing I did in Scientology was KTL, and it’s not “religious”. It covered grammar to an extent I felt I should have done at school.
Todd Cray says
Irresistible! Carole Eddington offers a great opportunity for all aspiring to oatee: “Have YOU ever publicaly [sic] speculated about some issue, only to be shouted down as a CONSPIRACY THEORIST?” If so, “this selection from the religious works of L. Ron Hubbard may enlighten you as to the source of that invalidation.”
In other words, read elron and people will think you’re a looneytune. This is not some espee’s opinion but according to Carole herself.
Scientology is a sort of vast intergalactic conspiracy theory, with Xenu and Marcabs, and implant stations and “psychs,” and so on. And its founder Hubbard was a paranoid conspiracy theorist even in real life, labeled a “mental case” for his bizarre letters to the FBI claiming plots against him including imagined attempts to sneak in and kill him in his sleep.
So it’s no surprise that followers tend towards conspiracy thinking, to an extent that can even be pretty far out.
Aren’t all religious beliefs rooted in conspiracy theory (eg. “why bad things happen”)?
And, if so, are scientologists beliefs really so special/unique in the grand scheme of things?
mwestern, definition of a conspiracy theory: “a belief that some covert but influential organization is responsible for a circumstance or event.”
So, NO not all religious beliefs are rooted in that. Thanks for playing though.
conspiracy theory. noun.
: a theory that explains an event or set of circumstances as the result of a secret plot by usually powerful conspirators
: a theory asserting that a secret of great importance is being kept from the public
Merriam-Webster. (n.d.). Conspiracy theory. Retrieved April 24, 2022, from https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/conspiracy%20theory
Which religions don’t tick one or botn of the above, in your opinion? Genuinely interested.
Almost all that I’ve studied.
Care to name one?
The conspiratorial gods and goddesses of Egypt, Greece, Mesopotamia, the Norse, et al., are pretty obvious.
As are the gods, demigods and antigods of Hinduism, Buddhism, et al.
The Abrahamic god works behind the scenes on his “grand plan”, typically aided by a hierarchy of angels. Oppositional or antagonistic conspirators include a devil (Lucifer, Iblis, etc) and an array of demonic soldiers.
The concept of maya (illusion), can be found in various eastern religions including Hinduism, Taoism, Buddhism and Sikhism.
Occult practices should be self evident, considering the clue is in the name.
What am I missing?
“I’m making the right amount of impact with our technology”. Wow, that’s what passes for a quotable win? What does that even mean?? Does this guy’s medical clinic review say they inserted the “right amount of camera” during his colonoscopy?
I can’t decide which is worse, that quote or naming your company “Buzzazz Business Solutions”. I think it’s the latter but not by near enough. I’m still getting a kick picturing some of my executive team in a meeting trying to decide how to pronounce “Buzzazz”.
Sunland isn’t really even moving, according to previous announcements that is just a “public contact expansion space” for intro courses and lectures, with 2 auditing rooms and a “bookstore,” while their main “course room” and presumably other operations remain at the mission holders’ house. From what I can figure the space looks to be about 500 square feet.
Their earlier announcement with those and other details is at:
Back about a decade ago they had a space that may even have been about as large as it seems a mission is supposed to be, around 5 thousand square feet, but that doesn’t seem to have lasted long. The prospects for their new space are probably worse given Scientology’s declining reputation and fortunes, except that the apparently very dedicated locals may be able to afford to prop up the smaller location.
O/T. Academic paper — Scientology and the State: Narconon’s Influence in the Prison System (2008), by Drew Tewksbury.
In Partial Fulfillment of the Requirements for the Degree Master of Arts (Journalism).
Memorialized with a screenshot on ESMBR and WWP at:
Thankyou for this link above.
VERY interesting, particularly, I didn’t know that the US Govt has a sub agency which:
“…..Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), a branch of the U.S. Department of Human Health Services. In 2000, SAMHSA coordinated with President Bush’s Faith-Based and Community Initiative, making it the first agency in the Department of Human Health Services to specifically undertake the initiative. SAMHSA works with faith-based organizations to aid in “the identification and elimination of barriers to these groups’ participation in SAMHSA opportunities.” ……”
So US Govt had that agency, I wonder if faith based groups wishing to participate gaining Govt funding still exists.
It seems to cross the line of religion and state, and really I wonder why the ACLU or some one else hasn’t sued and made this a Constitutional case.
Per the logic of US Govt funding for faith based treatments, then factually that logic could lead all the way to US Govt funding for “faith” healing, for the whole gamut of placebo treatments which I didn’t think the “people” in “we the people” in the US Constitution were willing to support “faith” with our taxes directly like this.
Also, the paper, as excellent as it is, does not mention two key Scientology facts.
Hubbard’s theory on drugs problems includes the “body-thetans” which must be exorcised on OT 4 (the Scientology “OT Drug Rundwon”) to fully cure an addict.
Narconon does not fully cure even an addict, per the “upper” Scientology body-thetans which drugs problems theory of L. Ron Hubbard’s, and future papers on Scientology Narconon should include this last bit of further research to show that Hubbard stated the OT Drug Rundown (let alone the actual lower level Scientology Drug Rundown, and the full New Era Dianetics Drug Rundown, also), to fully handle someone’s drugs problem.
Scientology has much more to handle a person’s full drugs problem, and those additional Scientology drugs handling steps are quackery pseudo-therapy even beyond the Narconon program. And the OT 4 Drug Rundown is exorcism on top of that.
But this is an excellent paper!
Do you suppose that cob knows that alcohol is a drug?
He knew of LRH’s own exceptions and drinking and drug taking, if you check up on Hubbard you see in his waning years he drank and did take mild Dr prescribed drugs.
So COB’s only following Hubbard’s own lapses, being an on source hypocrite just like Hubbard.
The flaws in Miscavige are minor compared to the deeper flaws in Scientology due to Hubbard’s flaws.
Miscavige is just king of the mountain, Lord of the Flies bully boss, at the top of the Hubbard created pile of pseudo-therapy/exorcism strong armed sales operation faux “religion” Scientology.
Xenu and body-thetans were the biggest landmine backfiring words Hubbard crippled Scientology with, which Scientology leadership hasn’t figured out how to dodge that problem. The other deeper nastier problems in Scientology are the backfiring rules and penalties that drive people out of the scam cult.
Well, if Hubbard were here, and he lived longer, he might have concluded that his own flaws have a silver lining in that he drives people away from his scam pseudo-therapy/exorcism strong-arm sales cult, and this fact of how obnoxious Scientology treats its staffs and members is a blessing. Since his nasty doctrines cause quitters, and quitters of the cult are the right move on the parts of the participants.
Quit fast. And Hubbard’s deeper Scientology flaws will help eject you.
Get out, wise up, find out what an even bigger scam Scientology was, once you eject out of it.
And get on with more enjoyable life in other endeavors and hobbies. ‘
Telling new generations the Xenu story, and body-thetans theory, prevents Scientology from preying upon those new generations.
Tell everyone the Xenu story, and simply explain “upper level” exorcism of Scientology, the OT 3, 4, 5. 6, and 7 extensive exorcism, and that makes the hearers of this immune to Scientology’s clutches.
I’m not so sure. A number of seemingly credible UFO sightings by navy personnel remain unexplained by US intelligence. Some of the world’s most respected physicists have recently popularised the zoo hypothesis and simulated reality. I’d wager that, as a religion, Scientology’s wacky cosmology may soon be the one thing it has going for it.
“It seems to cross the line of religion and state”
Chuck there is no “line” per se. The ONLY “line” is this from the constitution: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;”
That hasn’t happened vis-a-vis what you are referring to
As I understand the doctrine Reality doesn’t exist for a Scientologist.
The only reality that exists in $camology is Dwarfendong Malignant’s realty.
“Dwarfendong Malignant”! 😉😂😂😂
Here’s another one: Craven McSavage
Pope Punch ‘n’ Pilfer
COW: Chairman of the Whored
COB: Chief Obscene Bastard
He rules with ARC: Ass Reaming Criminality
“How to get rid of negative emotions without drugs.” A class that cob needs to go to. I hear he has anger issues. Anger is an emotion, does he not have control over his emotions? How can he proclaim to believe what scientology teaches and the “tech” but has anger issues?
Some who are here can attest to his anger issues.
He is a hypocrite. And I am not talking about an actor as in “someone who projects an image of something they are not.” There are people who make a great deal of money by being a professional actor and portraying something they are not. The good ones lay the façade down when they leave work. The bad ones don’t. Know anyone who fits that?
I routed off the EPF after repeatedly witnessing SO members screaming at each other. This seemed to violate the subject’s basic principles of ARC and the Tone Scale – and was a huge red flag that this was deemed acceptable.
It was only later on did I learn that such behaviour wasn’t just condoned…but actually encouraged by Hubbard himself in various policies.
This is a key problem with scientology: its scriptures are crammed full of contradiction. There is a reference to justify any type of behaviour as long as it’s in the pursuit of “getting the job done.”
Yes mwestern it is clear that scamology doesn’t work. Not even the so called Grades. As you witnessed in the SO all those execs that were “OT” yet the TRs courses they took didn’t work nor did even Grade 0. Not to mention Grade 1, et al…